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JonPincus — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:02:15 CST

Welcome to #p2 ("Progressives 2.0"), a resource for progressives using social media who prioritize diversity and empowerment, the "progressive batchannel", and an umbrella tag for information for progressives on Twitter. For a directory of progressives on Twitter, please see TweetProgress.

The navigation menu on the left shows the kinds of things that are here. It's a work in progress, so please join in if you have the time -- in the discussion threads to the bottom of each page, or by joining the wiki and editing pages using the EasyEdit button.

If it's your first visit here, you might want to check out the Getting Started page. If you're looking for resources for progressives on Twitter, check out our Overview and Hashtags pages.

Tweeting points

please help get the word out about #p2 and progressives on Twitter! when you get a chance, please tweet one of the following from time to time ... thanks!

#p2 = progressives 2.0: a resource for diversity, an umbrella tag, and the progressive bat-channel. more at http://bit.ly/p2pt0

hashtags for progressives: see the list at http://is.gd/odwf on the #p2 wiki #rebelleft #topprog #bipart

For more background on #p2

The #p2 hashtag and strategies for progressives on Twitter, Tracy Viselli and Jon Pincus on The Exception, February 13
#p2 Takes on the Progressive Twitter Challenge by Sarah Granger on techPresident, February 14.
Activism at the speed of skittles: #p2 and #askpres on Twitter (by Jon Pincus on The Seminal, March 27) and Twitter activism, #p2, and Ask the President (by Julie Roth and Jon Pincus here on the wiki) describe our most ambitious activism to date
Why do you pay *your* taxes? records progressives' April 15 response to #teaparty. As the highest-traffic progressive hashtag at the time, #p2 had a big role in this.
Cognitive evolution and revoution by Jon Pincus on Liminal States (April 20-27) presents a multi-perspective view of Twitter hashtags, and illustrates how marginalized communities are using Twitter for collaboration. The Politics Online presentation has detailed links.
Why Progressives Need to Stay Together, & How We Can Lose Everything If We Fail by 1xaipe on XAIPEpress, April 21, advocates for progressives unifying on #p2 as a hashtag.
#p2 and prioritizing diversity by Jon Pincus on Liminal States, crossposted on Oxdown Gazette, April 29
Uniting Progressives 2.0 on the Social Web by Adriel Hampton on Adriel for Congress is a brief summary of the April 30 Tweeting.

And ...

Twitter Chats: Feb 23 and March 18.
Results of our
Older updates by Jon Pincus on Liminal States : Some thoughts after the first week, Statistics, with a gender perspective, Dealing with trolls on Twitter

For #p2 discussions on Twitter

For a feed of #p2 and other hashtags related to progressives and diversity, check out TweetLeft!

Here's the five most recent tweets to #p2 on Twitter:

May 14 tweeting

JonPincus — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:58:05 CDT

	A "tweeting" is a meeting using Twitter. It's similar to a "Twitter chat" but somewhat more structured, with an agenda and action items. See here for the information about our most recent tweeting on April 30. Twitter was having major lags during our May 14 tweeting so we woundup having it in Chatterous instead.

A "tweeting" is a meeting using Twitter. It's similar to a "Twitter chat" but somewhat more structured, with an agenda and action items. See here for the information about our most recent tweeting on April 30.

Twitter was having major lags during our May 14 tweeting so we woundup having it in Chatterous instead.

Summary

thanks all for a great tweeting -- particularly impressive given the technical challenges. almost 20 people there; if we had been on Twitter, we probably would have trended. Oh well, maybe next time.

- action items below
- notes http://is.gd/A130
- full log http://is.gd/A1MV
- participation analysis

we spent about 25 minutes talking about sexism on the #p2 hashtag. whether or not you were there, please take a few minutes and read the section in the long on "sexism and #p2"".

we also spent about 20 minutes talking about EFCA, coming up with some specific actions that can help. one worth highlighting: when you see something with an #efca tag, please retweet it. @seasonothebitch is the point person here, and is providing a steady stream of tweets; @efcanow, @aflcio, @california_labor, @ufcw and others have also been tweeting. so let's all get involved and help out!

afterwards, JakeAryehMarcus mentioned that she thought we hadn't really dealt with the diversity issues ... i agree. so i set up a thread to continue the discussion at http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/thread/2832185/

thanks once again to everybody who was there -- a great discussion!

Attendees

AntoniaZ, Brian, cyn3matic, deletrian, geekosaur, GloPan, HarryWaisbren, humanfolly, problemchylde, JakeAryehMarcus, jdp23, karoli, katie_stanton, Michael, MyrnatheMinx, Paula, SavageMike, seasonothebitch

Action items

all: confront sexist language when we see it. note: this is especially important for guys to do! how best to do it?

reply to the tweeter, without including the #p2 hashtag on it.
potentially: forward to #sexistmuch or some other hashtag? tbd

jdp23, JakeAryehMarcus, katie_stanton (others too): coordinate with #fem2 on using the sexism as an educational opportunity in a Twittercast sometime around Father's Day.
SavageMike, others who are interested: investigate discussion forum options. set up our own? use Ning or Big Tent?
all: when you see something with #efca in it, please retweet and include some new hashtags
Paula: come up with a list of action-oriented EFCA links: petitions, etc. Then we'll get it on the wiki; this is likely to be a valuable asset to EFCA supporters in general
SavageMike: set up a tumblr page for EFCA. done! http://efca.tumblr.com/

Agenda

10 minutes: introductions, followup from last week's chat, last-minute agenda revisions
5 minuntes: recap of May 12 conference call
25 minutes: sexism and #p2
20 minutes: EFCA. See the planning page in progress for more background

discussion continued, mostly about EFCA, for another 15 minutes or so ...

Overflow topics

The agenda's jam-packed, so there were a bunch of things we didn't get to ... they're all important, but there's only so many minutes in an hour!

p2 as a "progressive bat-channel": brainstorming thread here.
how to shift to a more activist focus? brainstorming thread here.
how will we decide to make endorsement decisions? see Adriel Hampton's request for an endorsement in #CA-10 here.
hashtag-related discussions: #p2, #bipart (discussion here), #diversityfail/#diversitywin,...
our broader technology base includes the wiki, tweetleft, and twibes. how do we want to leverage these? what else do we need to develop? see the discussion thread here.
student activism and #p2
dealing with conservative trolls ... and progressive ones, too

Background

If you're new to the #p2 wiki, please check out our Getting Started page. If you're relatively new to using Twitter for activism, we've got some resources and links here. The links on the wiki's home page describe our history.

Our most recent tweeting was April 30. Summary and notes here. Discussions continued after the tweeting, starting with comment #60 here, comment #8 here, and the entire thread here.

If you're interested in Twitter activism, Building engaged communities that act and Cognitive evolution and revolution are two good places to start. Clay Shirky's A group is its own worst enemy is great background about online communities and social software.

April 30 Tweeting

JonPincus — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:53:47 CDT

	A "tweeting" is a meeting using Twitter. It's similar to a "Twitter chat" but somewhat more structured, with an agenda and action items. The primary topic of the April 30 tweeting, proposed originally by @Shoq, @Karoli, @DavidBadash, was organizing progressive hashtags on Twitter. See the Pre-tweeting discussions below for an overview of the discussions before the tweeting.

A "tweeting" is a meeting using Twitter. It's similar to a "Twitter chat" but somewhat more structured, with an agenda and action items. The primary topic of the April 30 tweeting, proposed originally by @Shoq, @Karoli, @DavidBadash, was organizing progressive hashtags on Twitter.

See the Pre-tweeting discussions below for an overview of the discussions before the tweeting.

Summary

Great chat!

look for opportunities to use #diversitywin/#diversityfail hashtags, and opportunites for other "win" hashtags.

here's the search for all tweets about #diversityfail OR #diversitywin
how to make this more systematic?

#p2 is a resource for diversity and empowerment, AND the progressive batchannel and umbrella tag

we will not be introducing an additional #p4p hashtag on Twitter at this point

next #p2 chat on May 14, including an issue focus as well as an organizing focus. planning page in progress here -- feedback welcome! a couple challenges:

is it possible to accomodate people who don't want to risk losing followers by engaging in chat?
is it possible to accomodate people whose accounts don't show up in Twitter search?
(from previous meeting) is it possible to accomodate people who have protected profiles?

please join the #p2 wiki at http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/ if you're not already a member

Participants

Seems like there were about 50 people participating, not counting the tweets of news items to #p2 and questions about "what does #p2 mean?" Apologies to anybody I missed; I did this by hand. Results presented in handy #followfriday format for your tweeting pleasure!

#followfriday @blackjew @myrnatheminx @schillingfan @MichaelShatz @xiape @bphoon @adrielhampton @Spinelli666 #p2 chat

#followfriday @hailripley @Shoq @grivno @dmooney9 @ryking @davidbadash @HarryWaisbren @rkref @bradbaumn @edmigper #p2 chat

#followfriday @xmelaniex7 @profchandler @JakeAryehMarcus @jennyjinx @DinkyShop @rhibowman @jcollord @tigermel #p2 chat

#followfriday @Smartalyx @GloPan @Karoli @p2pt0 @kindlejunkie @rickydee55 @strawberrysgirl @CydeWeys @manspeaker #p2 chat

#followfriday @HumanFolly @pbrantner @alapoet @Cody_K @rosieandtheband @jimnnoke @jdp23 @hannityhater #p2 chat

#followfriday @Wolfrum @Phillyberg @EvieE @nishachittal @Jillmz @DianeGee @_victor_ @savagemike @geekosearch #p2 chat

Chat log

The full log is here. Does anybody know how to convert this to a more usable format?

Agenda

10 minutes: introductions, talk about #tcot, and last-minute revision of meeting agenda. #tcot discussion thread here.
5-10 minutes #diversityfail/#diversitywin. background: 1, 2 - led by @JillMZ
15-25 minutes: review/continuation of the pre-tweeting discussions
15-20: decide next steps on "bridging" hashtag and #p2/#p4p
5 minutes: action items and next steps

Pre-tweeting discussions

The discussion prior to April 30 Tweeting got so voluminous that the initial summary spans a couple of pages. These are all important topics, and there's no way we can do them all justice during the tweeting, so these are also the basis for future conversations. When summarizing I've attempted to fairly excerpt everybody's positions while reducing duplication; in general I've preserved the order of the posts within each section although occasionally I've moved things around if I felt it didn't distort meaning and made it easier to follow. Apologies in advance for any mistakes or biases; please feel free to edit if I've mischaracterized your position. -- jon

Here's the overall index of discussions:

April 30 agenda discussion: summary so far, with ongoing discussion threads at the bottom of the page. Topics include "overall agenda issues", "making sure all voices are heard", "who decides", "the user perspective", "how the heck are people supposed to know what heach hashtag means", "about #rebelleft", "about #p2", "about #p4p", "hashtags and diversity -- and how many is too many?", and "the relationship between "#rebelleft, #topprog, #p2, and #p4p".
April 30 additional discussions: summary of . Topics include "trust issues", "life beyond Twitter", "transpartisanship on Twitter", "progressives vs. conservatives on Twitter", and "are all progressives left-wing?"
The wiki's discussion forum includes all the discussion threads on any of the pages

Additional background

The additional background for the tweeting includes brief descriptions and links to more information about #p2 and #p4p, and a status update on action items from the last Twitter Chat.

April 30 additional discussions

JonPincus — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:53:14 CDT

	The discussion prior to April 30 Tweeting got so voluminous that I split the initial summary between two pages. These are all important topics, and there's no way we can do them all justice during the tweeting, so these are also the basis for future conversations -- jon Here's the overall index of discussions: April 30 agenda discussion: summary so far, with ongoing discussion threads at the bottom of the page. Topics include "overall agenda issues", "making sure all voices are heard", "who decides", "the user perspective", "how the heck are people supposed to know what heach hashtag means", "about #rebelleft", "about #p2", "about #p4p", "hashtags and diversity -- and how many is too many?", and "the relationship between "#rebelleft, #topprog, #p2, and #p4p". April 30 additional discussions: summary of . Topics include "trust issues", "life beyond Twitter", "transpartisanship on Twitter", "progressives vs. conservatives on Twitter", and "are all progressives left-wing?" The wiki's discussion forum includes all the discussion threads on any of the pages

The discussion prior to April 30 Tweeting got so voluminous that I split the initial summary between two pages. These are all important topics, and there's no way we can do them all justice during the tweeting, so these are also the basis for future conversations -- jon

Here's the overall index of discussions:

April 30 agenda discussion: summary so far, with ongoing discussion threads at the bottom of the page. Topics include "overall agenda issues", "making sure all voices are heard", "who decides", "the user perspective", "how the heck are people supposed to know what heach hashtag means", "about #rebelleft", "about #p2", "about #p4p", "hashtags and diversity -- and how many is too many?", and "the relationship between "#rebelleft, #topprog, #p2, and #p4p".
April 30 additional discussions: summary of . Topics include "trust issues", "life beyond Twitter", "transpartisanship on Twitter", "progressives vs. conservatives on Twitter", and "are all progressives left-wing?"
The wiki's discussion forum includes all the discussion threads on any of the pages

Trust issues

jon (in email): We all have the same goals and it's just a matter of figuring out how to work together successfully. i don't think Shoq's trying to get people to abandon #p2. Somehing to keep in mind is that Shoq's an unknown quantity to a lot of people. Some of the pushback on #p4p is probably due to people not understanding the goals or thinking that the bridging tag should be #p2. Some may be due to people saying "do we really want to join Shoq's tribe?"

kindlejunkie: it was stated in an earlier post that no one wants to replace #p2 with #p4p, but that is exactly what I was urged to do through private channels. The mixed messages I'm getting about the #p4p tag are a barrier to acceptance.

ryking: And let me just state for the record: Several of us have compared notes and came to realize that you were deceitful in trying to advance your agenda; name-dropping, cajoling, leaving out facts with the people you tried to persuade to use p4p behind the scenes.

Shoq: Because you can seize a tag, doesn't mean you should. But if you keep doing that, the issue may be moot, because you will win by brute force, simply overpowering their mission.... You seem so invested in having no tag but P2? Perhaps you secretly want the TCOTs to later paint it as "that Gay/Diversity" group of leftists? Or the Left WingNut Ryking community?

jon (in email): My stylistic and occasional intellectual differences with Ryking shouldn't obscure the fact that I think he and I are very much part of the #p2 tribe. I feel the same way about all the other active #p2 members.

ryking: You came out with personal attacks against me when you wrote comment #34 (which I've screencapped, BTW) simply because I had the "audacity" to challenge you. I think that says a lot about how egotistical you are, and how much p4p is about YOU, not the advancement of left-wing politics or the growth of Twitter's left-wing community. Are you pushing this because the DNC or some group hired you to do so? I'm not being snarky here, I'm asking in all seriousness. And if you are, I think non-Twitter-using voters are the ones that the Democratic GOTV efforts should be focused on. I also think, if you have a financial stake in p4p's adoption, that you should disclose that.

Shoq: I simply came at this, seeking to use a tag robustly, and diversely, but not wanting to step on one that already existed. There may be several ways to consolidate the interests and move forward with p2and p4p objectives in complete harmony. The entire idea of this forum and tweetchat was to just have a discussion about it in the daylight. I have no interest in forcing anything on anyone, or I would have simply started p4p as a full time effort (not an experiement), and taken anyone that wanted to come along. I have many ideas about how things can fuse into one lovely community with almost no issues. So long as the p2 community doesn't feel stepped on in any way. And the last thing i wanted was a food fight :)

Life beyond Twitter

Shoq: #p2 fails the 3 char minimum for Indenti.ca., which could be larger than Twitter soon . And it will be for other services, too.

Jon (on the phone): So we'll call it p2pt0 on Identi.ca. We are already @p2pt0 on Twitter, progressives2.0@gmail.com or something like that.

ryking: Who cares about Indenti.ca? We're discussing Twitter. You want to set-up p4p there, go ahead. I couldn't care less.

Shoq: And even if they [#tcot] are a force? Guess why? It's because they have a website that supports their channel, and that channel is general enough to allow most of their team to play. Who will maintain that site for an umbrella p2? I would be happy to do it for p4p, or any other tag that is NOT tied so heavily to one tribe's agendas.

ryking: p2 doesn't need an umbrella site, but if some of us thinks it does, we can cross that bridge later. Maybe to Tweetleft.com.

karoli: tags extend much farther than twitter. For example, Flickr has the largest collection of tagged images on the web. That's a powerful collection of metadata and discoverable content. It is foolish to ignore tags as a tool for discovery.... Twitter is the new shiny thing, but it won't be the only shiny thing, nor will it be the permanent home of progressive or conservative alike.... Google indexes Twitter, identi.ca, Friendfeed, and now Facebook. imagine the power of consistent tagging across just those four sites. that's not social media; it's a practical act to invite discovery by anyone looking.

ryking: The problem is that few people spread themselves among so many social networking sites, and those that do don't tend to their various networks well.

karoli: I can post once to Twitter and it goes to Facebook, identi.ca, their federated laconica instances and Friendfeed. Social graphs do not overlap in most of those cases, because as you correctly point out, most people do not frequent all four. However, by broadcasting, I open the conversation to a far wider gamut.

ryking: But what good is such a broadcast if you don't have sufficient time for follow up and interaction? But this is neither here nor there. I'm talking about a Twitter-specific issue because Twitter is the social network I use.

Shoq: Facebook is 250 million people, Linked in is 60 million, and you think Twitter is all that matters? Are you on FriendFeeder? What about Ping? Do you understand Open Social?

ryking: I don't care about other social networks. Like most people, I don't spread myself out to four, or five, or twelve. Other than having plenty to do offline myself, no individual can sufficiently manage so many networks unless they get paid to do so, given the time it would take. And if you're so gung-ho about other networks and think Twitter isn't all that significant, why start with Twitter? Why not start elsewhere, build success if you can, and then try to incorporate Twitter?

Shoq: Twitter is not only not guaranteed to succeed, but it may not even be here a year from now. We don't want to tie MOBILIZATION to the commercial fate of one small company.

Transpartisanship on Twitter

Shoq: I've heard some pretty good ideas from a few conservatives (rarely, but they can happen). I'd like a slogan that doesn't run them off from the outset.

jon: Hashtags like #bipart, #gov20, and #nptech are already active in the bi/multi-partisan space and if you're going that route you'd want to coordinate with them -- as well as people from #sgp, #hhrs, #tcot, etc. on the conservative side.

adrielhampton: As a former nonpartisan and as an open gov advocate, I have found that there are plenty of reasonable people on Twitter who are open and reform minded, regardless of party.

jon (in email): i don't see things primarily through a left/right lens. On many of the issues I care about, libertarians are good allies (even though i disagree witht hem on a lot of stuff); on many issues, even though the right may be worse, marginalization by the "progressive" community is still pretty bad.

adrielhampton: The nice thing about Twitter is how many very engaged non-traditional actors there are. Bank reform, for example, would be supported as a progressive (or p4p) issue by a large contingent of Republicans and Libertarians. Also, Twitter and its tags are very tech-heavy, and many of those folks have a libertarian populist view.... tcot is folks shouting to each other in a circle - I'd like to see the left do more organizing and evangelizing on important issues that have broad-spectrum support.

Progressives vs. conservatives on Twitter

MarcoPoloRedux: Have conservatives 'out organized' us on twitter? Perhaps temporarily with the exclusivity of #tcot - but hey, have you ever been to a country bar? They line-dance like soldiers to "Achy Breaky Heart", so I'm not surprised that they quickly marched in lockstep to one principle hashtag. Progressives not so much. (Ever been to Cochella? Dirty naked liberal hippies dance to a decidedly more chaotic drummer. - which is a good, hot (and sexy) thing)

jon (in a blog post): On Twitter ... conservatives have out-organized progressives ... which makes it all the more critical to apply techniques like #fem2's effective conferences and Twittercasts, #dayofsilence's and #rword's outreach-to-Twitterati, or #amazonfail's attracting coverage and building community...

karoli: The tcot tag will die. It's only a matter of time. It is twitter specific and nonsensical. Progress will continue. I would like a tag that connotes progress, without the versioning.

ryking: three weeks ago according to wefollow.com, there were 500+ Twitter users registered as users of the tcot tag with a total of 600,000 Twitter followers under them. As I write this, there are now 819 Twitter users registered at wefollow.com as users of the tcot tag, with a total of 915,060 followers. And you can bet all of those followers are using the tcot tag, without having registered at wefollow.

karoli: Twitter will become something else one day. On that day, the tcot tag will be meaningless, and they will start over again.

ryking: Yes, but until that day comes...

Shoq: TCOT Is completely and entirely irrelevant ...they are self destructing as we speak, and gearing some networking decision upon what they (never decided) is simply silly.

ryking: Tcot has the edge both in terms of a head start and GOP support; since we're trying to build something from the grass roots up, it's harder to make headway ...I am not the only one on Twitter who wants to counter tcot.

karoli: tcot is irrelevant to me. don't care that there is a tcot tag that has traction, because it represents nothing in the long run. it is sparking and it will die, like a flare lit for a short time.

jon: In The Difference, Scott Page shows the advantages of cognitive diversity. in Cognitive evolution and revolution: #polc09 and a #diversityfail, I illustrated how Twitter hashtags can enable effective collaboration by marginalized groups. In a political environment where the vast majority of youth, blacks, Latinos and Latinas, LGBTQs, migrant rights activists, and feminists oppose conservative policies, this potentially creates a huge advantage for progressives ... if they prioritize diversity.

Trolling

jon (in email): #p2 has been acting as a place where progressives and conservatives troll each other and that certainly wasn't our intent.

ProfChandler: What can be done about trolls, hacks, rudeness and set-ups from right-wingers?

jon (in email): it happens all the time. simple filtering takes care of most of it for now and we can do more complex things if needed. we discussed it at one of the earlier chats. i have at least one post (on Liminal States) on trolls on Twitter. i filter out cross-posts to #tcot
because many of them are trolls

Shoq: Ryking, Just because you like to post anything you come across to #P2, doesn't mean that's what it was intended for. All that does is make noise for the people it was intended to serve.

ryking: And shoq? A simple search at search.twitter.com of "shoq tcot" will show that you like to troll them, too. As a matter of fact, you have, on more than one occasion, retweeted my tcot-tagged snark. If you think being snarky to tcotters somehow how disqualifies my views in this forum, well...

Are all progressives left-wing?

ryking: The definitions of "progress" also vary between left-wingers and right-wingers.

ryking: There are no such things as non-left-wing progressives.

karoli: I ... personally know moderate conservatives who believe in progress on certain fronts; e.g. healthcare, green issues, etc. that have seemed to be the exclusive province of the Progressive movement. I am a believer in inclusion, not exclusion,

bphoon: I know language and I know branding and "left-wing" has a different connotation than "progressive".I think you define "progressive" too rigidly and narrowly. In popular vernacular, "progressive" connotes a "bigger tent" than "left-wing". "Left-wing" connotes the extreme; "progressive" connotation includes a broader range of thinking that includes the whole spectrum from centrists to the extreme left wing. It's a more inclusive term than you make it out to be.

ProfChandler: Left-wing is something that is very misunderstood, for the most part, in the United States. I like to think of myself as a radical left wing person INSIDE, but I doubt that anyone in the USA would even listen to my thoughts because there is a BLOCK to anything LEFT or radical or Marxist or neo-marxist. There is so much hatred against the left-wing that I would rather hide behind the progressive shield. It sounds so nice and open. Liberal is a term that I would rather never hear again.

Getting started

mhurth — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:49:38 CDT

	This page will have information (and hopefully screencasts!) about how to use this wiki effectively and have quick links to resources for various social networks. Over time it will have sub-sections for different social networks ... If you know of useful links, please add them in the comment threads at the bottom of the page.

This page will have information (and hopefully screencasts!) about how to use this wiki effectively and have quick links to resources for various social networks. Over time it will have sub-sections for different social networks ...

If you know of useful links, please add them in the comment threads at the bottom of the page.

If you're new to Twitter: check out the Twitter page for helpful tips and resources!

To find out what's going on: the home page is the place to go for an overview. The Discussion Forum shows the active threads, and What's new has a list of the most recent edits. You can get to all of these from the tabs near the top of the page. To explore in more detail, use the search box and "site pages" menus on the left-hand side.

To participate in a discussion thread: just hit reply. no formatting, alas.

To join the wiki: click on the Join this Site button near the top right of any page.

To edit a page: click on the EasyEdit button near the top left. the toolbar at the top lets you format things and add photos, videos, RSS feeds, and widgest from other sites. when you're done, click Save in the toolbar. if you haven't used wikis before, a couple of things to keep in mind:

don't worry too much about getting things perfect right off the bat. you can always clean it up later -- and others might help.
the wiki keeps a complete history of edits, so if somebody screws things up totally (which will almost certainly happen) we can always go back.

To create a new page: use the add page link on the left (just below the menus), which will give you a pop-up where you can give the title. if you want a lavender-background box at the top for a comment like this page has, click on the use template pull-down menu and select Comment at Top. once you hit Save, your page will be created; then click EasyEdit to edit it.

To go back to a previous version of a page: use the History link at the bottom of each page.

For more on wikis, see ...

Health Care Reform

myrnatheminx — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:02:50 CDT

Thursday, June 25th, Health Care for America Now (HCAN) is holding a rally in Washington D.C. We will try to organize a strategy chat with HCAN for sometime next week. Until then,

#p2 can support this action by doing the following:

1. Follow @HCAN and Jason Rosenbaum who is heading up organization of the rally.
2. Follow the #healthcare09 hashtag
3. Retweet rally related tweets and make sure to use #healthcare09 and #p2 if you have room

How can #p2 and #fem2 work together more effectively

JonPincus — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:14:34 CDT

Notes from the June 21 fem2 chat

Summary:

1) inclusiveness: trans and woc views, international, disability perspectives #fem2
2) issue focus. action item: a "virtual chalkboard" on the #fem2 wiki, followed by a circle dyad diagram (?)
3) multiple definitions -- of feminism, of progressivism -- may well cause clashes. how to keep these from derailing us?
4) a question from @mzmartipants about gender statistics -- @DinkyShop had asked me a similar question on my blog post. Action Item: follow-up post from Jon, then discussion.
5) after-action analysis: why didn't the big progressive blogs didn't mention #fairpay

Opportunity: how to cooperate on the upcoming Fem2pt0 blog carnival on caretaking?

Sample Issues diagram from @gingerlatte:

Other notes

@ilauredhel: one easy thing to do to show international pespectives are welcome: avoid US-centric times and holidays.

@digitalsista i think when we assume that 1 grp will just "understand" the issues that are importnt to another is always flawed

gingerlatte I think we need a circle diagram dyad that illustrates the issues separately and where they intersect: Welfare Reform Bill of 1996/Patriot Act / Governmental Surveillance/Universal Health Care/Iraq War /Fast TrackNAFTA Repeal / Repeal Taft Hartley Act/Millionaire Tax Cuts/Reproductive Privacy RightsCampaign Finance Reform/Fair Trade/Health Care for All Americans/Protecting our Rights ...

Action item: set up wiki pages on the Fem2pt0 wiki as a "virutual chalkboard" on the issues.

Topics

- inclusiveness: international, disability;

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Draft blog post for June 21 #fem2/#p2 twittercast

JakeAryehMarcus — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:20:41 CDT

	On June 21, we're hosting the #fem2 Twittercast, with a topic of "how the two communities can support each other more effectively. We'll kick things off with a blog post on the fem2pt0 blog, probably Thursday, to start some discussion. Please feel free to edit or add comments in the discussion forum at the bottom!

On June 21, we're hosting the #fem2 Twittercast, with a topic of "how the two communities can support each other more effectively. We'll kick things off with a blog post on the fem2pt0 blog, probably Thursday, to start some discussion. Please feel free to edit or add comments in the discussion forum at the bottom!

#fem2 and #p2: how can we support each other more effectively?

It's not that Twitter is a utopia by any means. However, the power structure is still in flux. So a collaborative effort among progressives, youth, feminists, women of color, LGBTQ activists -- across the US and internationally -- has a chance to make a big difference.

One simple way to start is to set up a new shared hashtag for the different groups to collaborate. In Seth Godin's terminology, the users of each hashtag can be viewed as a tribe; we need a place for the tribes to get together to discuss how to work together effectively.

We propose #p2 (for "Progressives 2.0") as a shared hashtag. The name is a hat-tip to the #fem2 hashtag as well as Web 2.0 social computing technologies.

-- The #p2 hashtag and strategies for progressives on Twitter, Tracy Viselli and Jon Pincus on The Exception, February 13

The linkfluence presentation at the Fem2.0 conference in February 2009 highlighted the asymmetrical relationship between the larger "progressive blogosphere" and feminist and womanist blogs.* It's the latest in a long line of work, including Shelley Powers' Guys don’t link, Susan C. Herring et. al.'s Women and children last, discussing diversity issues in the blogospheres. After seeing the rapid spread of information about Twitter Vote Report via the "women in technology and politics," the success of #motrinmoms, and the #fem2 work, Tracy and I started to believe that Twitter provides an opportunity to engage with communities marginalized by the "progressive blogosphere."

In the four months since then, #p2 has steadily grown to be the largest progressive hashtag on Twitter. According to wthashtag, over 1300 people have tweeted in the last week. The steady stream of LGBTQ activism on #p2 and our experiences working together with #fem2 on #fairpay and #diversityfail/#diversitywin are both strong indications that we were on-target. There was a particularly vivid example of this with the Paycheck Fairness Act activism on April 28: while the "big blogs" conspicuously ignored it, #p2 members helped out on Twitter and in the blogosphere.

How can we build on these early successes?

How can we improve things that haven't gone as well -- for example, the representation biases and ongoing sexist comments on the #p2 hashtag?

Thanks to fem2pt0 for inviting us to host the June 21 Father's Day Twittercast on this subject -- Sunday, 7 p.m. Pacific/10 p.m. Eastern! No need to wait until then to start the discussion, though. Please use this thread for ideas, discussions, criticisms, questions, and suggestions.

Here's a few ideas to kick things off:

coordinate on flash activism efforts like #fairplay, with joint work on retweeting tactics, tweeting points, highlighting blog posts, and Digging. By combining the strengths (media and activism expertise, networks, well-respected blogs) of the people involved in #p2 and #fem2, we can be an incredibly powerful force.
work to bring feminist, womanist, and other diverse perspectives to multipartisan issues like privacy as well as "progressive issues" like EFCA.
continue to put effort into creating a progressive discussion space where women and women of color are fairly represented. #p2 chats are typically about 40-45% women; in the "raw" discussions on the hashtag, though, 80% or more of the tweets are from men. (There are detailed statistics and discussion here and here.)

Thoughts about these? Other ideas, discussions, criticisms, questions, and suggestions?

Please discuss!

jon, aka @jdp23

Tweetings, Twitter chats, and conference calls

JonPincus — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:23:46 CDT

As well as our ongoing conversations on Twitter, the wiki, and in the blogosphere, sometimes it's useful to get people together for some more focused time.

A "tweeting" is a meeting on Twitter. More recently, we've been using Chatterous as a chat room. Our next chat, date TBD, will focus on EFCA activism. Please join in the pre-meeting discussions in our discussion forum

Date: ???
Time: 7-8 PM Pacific/10-11 PM Eastern
Place:

No invitation required! To join in, use Tweetchat or your favorite Twitter client. If you're not on Twitter, you can follow along using Twitter search.

Our previous tweetings, chats, and conference calls: Feb 23 March 18 April 30 May 12 conf call May 14 May 28

May 28 chat

JonPincus — Fri, 29 May 2009 01:33:42 CDT

	Another great chat! Thanks all ... next chat scheduled for June 11, with a focus on EFCA. And stay tuned for the joint #p2/#fem2 Twittercast on June 21!

Another great chat! Thanks all ... next chat scheduled for June 11, with a focus on EFCA. And stay tuned for the joint #p2/#fem2 Twittercast on June 21!

Log: http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/page/May+28+log
Summary notes: http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/page/May+28+notes
Participation: http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/page/May+28+participation

Attendees

DinkyShop
GrrrlRomeo
JakeAryehMarcus
Jillmz
Kit
MyrnatheMinx
adrielhampton
humanfolly
jdp23
matttbastard

Decisions

1) no endorsement in CA-10; instead, invite all candidates to a Twitter debate or chat

Action items

Interested in helping out? Please let us know in the "volunteers" thread.

1) value articulation: why should people spend the four characters on #p2? (use Matt and Dinky's langauge from the chat)
2) better educational materials, continuing to improve the wiki page. -- jon
3) ongoing outreach to non-straight-white-males -- ALL
4) organizing a CA-10 Twitter debate/chat/something - need a volunteer to take the lead!
5) a high-quality EFCA RSS feed *without* corporate propaganda/nterruptions -- need a volunteer to take the lead!
6) make sure EFCA updates from email/RSS get to the #EFCA and #p2 feeds -- matttbastard, seasonothebitch
7) EFCA tweeting points page (or add to resource page), update dailyish - need a volunteer to take the lead!
8) follow up with Workplace Fairness, AFSCME, SEIU on getting them to a #p2 chat to discuss: MyrnaTheMinx
9) media contacts list starting next week: Kit, MyrnaTheMinx

Agenda

See the May 28 notes for summaries of what we discussed each topic

5 minutes: introductions, followup from last week's chat, last-minute agenda revisions
5-10 minutes: overview from Jon and Q&A
15-25 minutes: diversity issues on #p2

continue discussions from May 14 on participation and confronting sexism
latest statistical update here
upcoming #fem2/#p2 twittercast June 21
thoughts on the #sexistmuch hashtag (perhaps with a different name). discussion thread here.

(deferred): technology, on Twitter and beyond

"filtered" feeds, e.g. ignoring tcot cross-posts etc.
regular tweets describing what #p2 and with a link to where people can find out more
discussion forums

10-15 minutes: endorsement process for CA-10. discussion thread here.

need to come out of this with agreement on a process and timeframe for deciding whether or not to endorse Adriel Hampton

10-15 min: EFCA update. Brainstorming thread here.

We've created the resource page we talked about last chat; how to get the word out more broadly about this, and how else can we help?
Can we work with #fem2 to highlight feminist aspects of EFCA?

5-10 minutes: action items and next steps

Background

If you're new to the #p2 wiki, please check out our Getting Started page. If you're relatively new to using Twitter for activism, we've got some resources and links here. The links on the wiki's home page describe our history.

Our most recent tweetings:

May 14: Summary here, notes here ... the full log and participation analysis are interesting too.
April 30. Summary and notes here. Discussions continued after the tweeting, starting with comment #60 here, comment #8 here, and the entire thread here.

If you're interested in Twitter activism, Building engaged communities that act and Cognitive evolution and revolution are two good places to start. Clay Shirky's A group is its own worst enemy is great background about online communities and social software.

May 28 notes

JonPincus — Fri, 29 May 2009 00:50:20 CDT

Next chat
- June 11, EFCA

Action items
1) value articulation: why should people spend the four characters on #p2? (use Matt and Dinky's langauge from the chat)
2) better educational materials, continuing to improve the wiki page. -- jon
3) ongoing outreach to non-straight-white-males -- ALL
4) organizing a CA-10 Twitter debate/chat/something - need a volunteer to take the lead!
5) a high-quality EFCA RSS feed *without* corporate propaganda/nterruptions -- need a volunteer to take the lead!
6) make sure EFCA updates from email/RSS get to the #EFCA and #p2 feeds -- matttbastard, seasonothebitch
7) EFCA tweeting points page (or add to resource page), update dailyish - need a volunteer to take the lead!
8) follow up with Workplace Fairness, AFSCME, SEIU on getting them to a #p2 chat to discuss: MyrnaTheMinx
9) media contacts list starting next week: Kit, MyrnaTheMinx

Diversity summary
1) articulate value -- Matt and Dinky's statement
2) more diverse links
3) better educational materials -- refine wiki page
4) continued outreach to non-straight-white-males
5) continue to discuss filtering, protocols for communication*
6) upcoming #fem2/#p2 twittercast June 21

* matttbastard asks for more description of what this means ... coming soon

Technology
1) ning in progress at http://p2progressives.ning.com/
2) example filter ignoring tweets involving tcot, 5 loudest tweeters, several conservative trolls: http://bit.ly/167vwQ

CA-10 congressional race
1) no endorsement by #p2 in CA-10
2) willingness to endorse on issues [need a process], skepticism about endorsing in political races
3) potentially organize a Twitter-based discussion [or other online chat] for CA-10 canddiates on some of our key issues - EFCA, single-payer, etc.

EFCA

1) RSS subs to orgs that aggregate EFCA info (eg, AFLCIO, SEIU, OurFuture.org, etc) and getting information out into the public sphere. Matttbastard: "at the moment the EFCA feed is dominated by corp-sponsored anti-EFCA accounts which are doing their best to get out the anti-efca line. So we need to make sure the message of Employee Choice is not getting lost underneath a mountain of corporate propaganda"
2) tweeting points and more tweeting about EFCA
3) continue to publicsize http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/page/EFCA+Resources
4) invite people involved in the EFCA campaig to a p2 chat to discuss how we can help. -- MyrnaTheMinx to drive
5) pitch a story "progressives using twitter for EFCA" -- techPresident, Nation, DemocracyNow, NationalJournal's twitter column. use the twitterchat to catalyze
6) make sure email updates/RSS feed updates info goes to the twitter feeds -- matttbastard, seasonothebitch
7) see #1

May 28 participation

JonPincus — Fri, 29 May 2009 00:40:36 CDT

DinkyShop: 44 tweets, 783 words
GrrrlRomeo: 1 tweets, 12 words
JakeAryehMarcus: 45 tweets, 438 words
Jillmz: 36 tweets, 425 words
Kit: 6 tweets, 109 words
MyrnatheMinx: 31 tweets, 329 words
adrielhampton: 2 tweets, 49 words
humanfolly: 8 tweets, 33 words
jdp23: 105 tweets, 2175 words
matttbastard: 57 tweets, 517 words
testingtesting: 2 tweets, 23 words

May 28 log

JonPincus — Fri, 29 May 2009 00:29:47 CDT

jdp23 (19:06): let's get started, shall we? a brief round of introductions -- and please mention your twitter name if it's different than you r name here
jdp23 (19:07): i'm @jdp23, a strategist/writer/activist in the Seattle area, and cofounder of #p2 with @myrnatheminx
jdp23 (19:07): the agenda by the way is at http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/page/May+28+chat
JakeAryehMarcus (19:08): I'm @JakeAryehMarcus, lawyer/writer/activist, active in #p2, #fem2, and co-founder of #bfing.
DinkyShop (19:08): I'm Susan aka @DinkyShop architect in Chicago .. general troublemaker all my life. (It's the Chicago way)
matttbastard (19:09): @matttbastard here, active in #p2, co-founder of #rebelleft. blogger, activist, writer, snarkmeister.
testingtesting (19:09): i'm another account of Jon's logged in as a guest to see whether it works. please ignore me.
jdp23 (19:10): a small crowd but a feisty one!
matttbastard (19:10): Hey Jon, Jake, Kit & Susan
JakeAryehMarcus (19:10): Jon, how can you tell from the menu who is actually in the room? Green dot mean someone is here?
jdp23 (19:11): wellcome, Matt, Jake, Susan, and Kit (if you're still there). Jake, not sure how to tell that.
jdp23 (19:11): any last-minute comments on the agenda? i figured with a quick overview of where we are
jdp23 (19:12): first some quick statistics. overall there's typically 1000-1200 tweets a weekday on #p2. a lot smaller than tcot's 4000.
jdp23 (19:13): about 1/3-1/2 of the tweets are cross-posts to tcot ... some are news articles going to both, a lot is debating and trolling
jdp23 (19:14): there's a fair amount of trolling in generall -- two of the top 10 posters are fleckman and ronnyraygun
jdp23 (19:14): there's also a fair amount of trolling by progressives
jdp23 (19:15): we haven't taken an active roll in any activism for a while, although we did turn around the EFCA resources quickly after last chat ... good stuff
jdp23 (19:15): the people involved are great, and it's a reasonably diverse group. the tweets on the hashtag are far less diverse in several dimensions.
jdp23 (19:15): on the whole it's gone a lot better than i had expected
jdp23 (19:16): others impressions?
DinkyShop (19:16): Less diverse how.. stronger where?
JakeAryehMarcus (19:17): Jon, you mean the Tweets are less diverse than those actively involved in Tweetchats and the Wiki, right?
jdp23 (19:17): one big thing is that my best estimate is that the community is roughly 40-45% women; tweets are 80%+ male, top tweeters are 80%+ male.
jdp23 (19:18): actually Jake the discussion threads on the wiki have the same 80% male ratio.
jdp23 (19:18): there continues to be a steady stream #lgbt-related posts, and a rasonable amount of news from #fem2 and #woc
JakeAryehMarcus (19:18): Hmm. Only the Tweetchats are more diverse?
jdp23 (19:19): the tweetchat, the last chatterous chat, the members of the wiki, and tweeters
jdp23 (19:20): it's a classic online communication result: the guys are in general a lot more verbose, although of course some women are verbose as well.
jdp23 (19:20): and there have been complaints about sexist langauge on the hashtag -- especialy from Shoq
jdp23 (19:21): hmm, this has kind of turned into a monolog from me. talk about guys dominating the conversation ... i'll shut up now.
JakeAryehMarcus (19:22): Do we have four people here right now?
JakeAryehMarcus (19:22): Two men and two women?
Kit K (19:23): I'm here! Mostly listening, first chat. I'm male.
jdp23 (19:23): i count five (although matt might have gotten booted. i hate technology). three men, two women.
DinkyShop (19:23): The list on the right on my screen shows 11 ppl.. don't know gender..
JakeAryehMarcus (19:24): I think the screen on the list includes members who may not be in the room.
JakeAryehMarcus (19:24): Matt, you still here?
DinkyShop (19:24): You know tech and the net for a combination of factors tends to have high male presence (participation) unless the topic of female focused (in my anecdotal experience)..
testingtesting (19:24): yep. and a duplicate account from me.
matttbastard (19:25): test?
Jillm (19:25): Good evening - will try to catch up
DinkyShop (19:25): I follow a lot of women who seem to post p2 / fem2 content.. maybe not always using the hashtags tho'..
jdp23 (19:26): welcome back, Matt; and hi, Jill!
matttbastard (19:26): There we go
matttbastard (19:26): Hey Jill
Jillmz (19:26): FYI - I am in the Cleveland and haven't checked the score at all - heading to DC for milestone event early in the morning (why is that always happening when you have these chats Jon!)
Jillmz (19:26): Hi Matt
JakeAryehMarcus (19:26): DinkyShop and I are female. And I see Jill has arrived. Matt, Jon, and Kit are male so we have a 50/50 split right now in the room?
matttbastard (19:26): I believe so
Jillmz (19:26): Is Gloria and Paula "live"?
matttbastard (19:27): am also POC
Jillmz (19:27): That shoudl be - are they live
matttbastard (19:27): and not-heterosexual
matttbastard (19:27): to add to the diversity
Jillmz (19:27): and not a problem either
JakeAryehMarcus (19:28): Jon, correct me if I am wrong, but you are the only top tweeter here, unless Matt is one as well?
jdp23 (19:28): DinkyShop, agreed that onlne is tends to be male-dominated. Part of our goal with #p2 is to create a more balanced space. (Ditto for other dimensions.) One of my learnings here is that chats are a good way of getting this to happen -- both on twitter and chatterous, so it's the format rather than the specific technology.
matttbastard (19:29): Define 'top tweeter'?
Jillmz (19:29): I confess - I just don't use hashtags as a routine thing
DinkyShop (19:29): I don't want to engage in stereotypes, but sometimes ppl use tech differently (for a variety of reasons NOT related to ability, tech skills, etc.)
JakeAryehMarcus (19:29): Jon, how do you draw that line in creating your stats? Remind me.
Jillmz (19:29): I am greedy with my character count
matttbastard (19:30): I don't know what the metric would be to check the impact @matttbastard has
matttbastard (19:30): top tweeter sounds like something Tyra Banks would start a nationwide search for.
jdp23 (19:30): http://wthashtag.com/P2 has a list. it really should be "loudest", not "top". i'm typically not on the list
DinkyShop (19:31): Yeah, but as we all know quantity and quality are not one in the same..
jdp23 (19:31): a lot of people confuse "volume" with "value"
matttbastard (19:31): Yup. Lookit that -- number 7 with a bullet. Most of my tagged tweets are links to articles or live-tweets
JakeAryehMarcus (19:32): The problem we have been discussing previously is that the volume of white male Tweets overwhelms female Tweeters.
DinkyShop (19:32): I think I follow a lot of female p2s who don't or forget to use hashtags (like I often forget..)
jdp23 (19:32): it's a great point, Susan, sorry i didn't reply to it efore. consistent with what Jill says
jdp23 (19:33): we could try to come up with another solution that doesn't involve a hashtag (although i'm not sure off the top of my head what it would be)
Jillmz (19:33): well - it depends on what we're really trying to monitor, Jon
jdp23 (19:33): matt i think your tweets are consistently worthwhile and they are very often bringing in diversity perspectives
JakeAryehMarcus (19:34): I retweet to the hash for some ppl I know often leave hash off.
Jillmz (19:34): so, for example, I confess - I am really picky/finicky about doing what I'm told to or what everyone says to do
matttbastard (19:34): Question: why is the convo about diversity being limited to a cismale/female gender dynamic? (And thanks, Jon)
matttbastard (19:34): JAke, I try to do that, too
DinkyShop (19:34): I'd like to tweet more, but my work doesn't usually allow it.. so chats are a better way for me (at this time). Ditto for wiki participation.. I can barely manage my websites and blog (and not doing a good job at either)
Jillmz (19:34): so if I'm at a conference, I do the tag thing
jdp23 (19:34): jill i don't think of it as "monitoring", really much more trying to create good communications spaces: one for broadcasting information, one for convesation.
Jillmz (19:34): but in just conversing, not so much
Jillmz (19:34): hmm - ok - but then what is the purpose of the tag - to help categorize it?
Jillmz (19:35): (I think of monitoring in terms of keeping an eye on a topic, not so much watchdog)
jdp23 (19:35): matt i agree it's a multi-dimensional problem ... two reasons: (1) it's easier to approximate gender than race/age/etc. on Twitter and (2) the numbers aren't large tnough to get meaingful statistics in other dimensions. in generall though i assume the same effects are reflected in all dimensions and we should be working towards a full solution, not just gender
JakeAryehMarcus (19:36): I see it as keeping an eye on but also connecting ppl via the hash who would not discover each other without the hash.
DinkyShop (19:36): I think the diversity thread on the wiki was good.. most of the explanations for participation were covered there, imo..
matttbastard (19:36): I use the tag as a mechanism to broaden the impact of a tweet beyond my followers, to aggregate to pertinent areas of interest based on what the link is about.
Jillmz (19:37): I can see that, Matt
JakeAryehMarcus (19:37): LGBT membership is harder to gauge. LGBT content more obvious.
jdp23 (19:37): the original purpose was a resource for progressives prioritizing diversity: to help us find each other, to spread news, to discuss, and (sometimes) as an action nexus. so exactly the kind of stuff Matt's talking about. that's gotten broadened to also be "the umbrella tag for progressives" and "the batchannel" -- we still don't know what that means
JakeAryehMarcus (19:38): Matt, I try and use the hash the same way.
Jillmz (19:38): hmm - well - I'd like to posit this: using Twitter to converse is different than using to find each other or people of similar interests or w/whom we can collaborate or hope to work with etc.
Jillmz (19:38): now - that doesn't mean that those two things are incompatible
Jillmz (19:39): but do they require different mechanisms for achieving what they do?
JakeAryehMarcus (19:39): Agreed and agreed, Jill.
matttbastard (19:39): Yes, that.
jdp23 (19:39): maybe one thing that would be useful in general is to get people to think about using the tag the way matt and Jake are talking about. and agreed with Jill; i'd also add the news broadcasting functionality
DinkyShop (19:40): I think Shoq's real name is X note: edited out by Jon (I'm confused, but not really..) I agree Matthew E's use of the tag helps find, organize info.. as would all tags when used appropriately
Jillmz (19:40): for sure, Twitter is a place to find people of similar interests - but I'm doubtful that that will ever be a primary part of it, at least as currently configured, - except through searching, and by having the hashtag we improve that
Jillmz (19:40): agree w/Dinky
matttbastard (19:40): JFTR, I'm not Shoq
JakeAryehMarcus (19:40): We still have the problem of a hash stream overwhelmed w/white male straight Tweeters pushes out other Tweeters.
Jillmz (19:40): so there can either be diversification in the tags themselves to help recognize when we're conversing on a similar topic and when we're trying to find each other...
Jillmz (19:40): or...I'm not sure what lol
Jillmz (19:41): Jake - shaking my head in agreement - sadly, that's a systemic issue I think
jdp23 (19:41): i think there can also be diversification of filters. so i often view the stream filtering out most of the top tweeters
Jillmz (19:41): understood jon
JakeAryehMarcus (19:41): So Mattbasterd would NOT post "I'd do her"?
guest244687 (19:41): Hello, progs!
Jillmz (19:42): well - not with a p2
matttbastard (19:42): Nah, not my style
DinkyShop (19:42): I'm slowly getting some of my terrestrial p2 /fem2 pals to get on twitter.. it's hard to get them to understand the medium, protocols etc..
jdp23 (19:43): a view like http://bit.ly/167vwQ (filteirng out tcot, top 5 tweeters, and a handful of trolls) is very different
DinkyShop (19:43): Well the other M sounds like he's a lot younger than some of us.. he'll out grow it (I hope)..
JakeAryehMarcus (19:44): Is it kosher to write "Tweeters X, Y, and Z are trolls" on the wiki?
jdp23 (19:44): so building on Susan's point, better "getting started" info could help a lot. in the past Sarah's brought up the issue that people with protected accounts also can't participate [and this probably disproportionately impacts women of color]
matttbastard (19:44): Definitely, Jon.
DinkyShop (19:45): If u protect your tweets, u have a dif agenda.. and need a dif screen name for p2 activity.. (that's my strategy anyway...lol)
JakeAryehMarcus (19:46): Discussion of creating #p2 Tweeting protocols has gotten some push back in the past. Thoughts now?
jdp23 (19:46): jake we set up a "troll identification thread" as part of a community defense against trolls in the one million strong for barack facebook group and it helped some. the difficult quesiton is "who decides X, Y, and Z are trolls -- based on what criteria?
DinkyShop (19:46): Jon, the wiki was helpful..
Jillmz (19:46): I apologize that I need to head out but I also think people might want to understand the value of using up the characters to tag
Jillmz (19:46): I know that sounds stingy and all
Jillmz (19:46): but to get invested in a habit - we need to feel there's value for it, yes?
Jillmz (19:47): so - how do we explain that? demonstrate that?
jdp23 (19:47): thanks much Jill. #p2's only four characters ... hard to do better than that. agreed that it comes down to "what's the value" and we need to demonstrate it
Jillmz (19:47): I think most of us in this conversation are genuine and it's second nature to us
Jillmz (19:47): but not for everyone
jdp23 (19:47): enjoy your trip tomorrow
DinkyShop (19:47): Do you guys find p2 use problematic, currently? Most of the tweets I see are OK (to me..) but I don't have Twitter open all day..
JakeAryehMarcus (19:47): Bye Jill.
Jillmz (19:47): lol I know it's only four - but you know lol I just mean...oh -ok! I mean...I'm VERBOSE!
Jillmz (19:47): I need those four!
Jillmz (19:48): ok - just teasing now
matttbastard (19:48): I see the value when tweets that I properly tag get picked up by accounts run by people/orgs who can utilize the information contained. Again, i see the tags more as a means of broadening communication, rather than tribal identification
matttbastard (19:48): hahaha
jdp23 (19:48):
matttbastard (19:48): Jill, you're almost unretweetable
Jillmz (19:48): thanks for the converstaion - I love the idea of extending the value and use
matttbastard (19:48): (not that I'm one to talk)
Jillmz (19:48): I know Matt! I love it
DinkyShop (19:48): Matt, I try to follow your example (when I can.. but I am a troublemaker who goes off the rails..)
jdp23 (19:49): okay, here's what i have for this discussion:
jdp23 (19:49): 1) articulate value -- Matt and Susan's statement
2) better educational materials
3) continued outreach
4) continue to discuss filtering, protocols for communication
adrielhampton (19:49): Oh, so I'm here, just hadn't logged in right
matttbastard (19:49): You do it quite well, Dinky. Most of my followers/people I follow who are journalists/bloggers are used to using digital tools as a means of disseminating information
jdp23 (19:50): [not specifically for gender -- for all the diversity aspects, including the "longtime twitterers/new people who may be less confident"]
DinkyShop (19:50): Yeah, at my old job, if had been tweeting, I would have been fired.. but I'm not there anymore, so..
jdp23 (19:50): welcome Adriel ... perfect timing, because i was just about to steer us to the "action!" portion of the agenda. first though any feedback on the summary?
jdp23 (19:51): we've got two action-oriented issues. (1) Adriel's approached us for an endorsement in the CA-10 race. what's our process for this? exclusive/non-exclusive? what does an endorsement mean? (2) EFCA!!!!!!!
matttbastard (19:51): Summary sounds good, although I'd appreciate more info another time on what is meant by filtering/communication protocols.
JakeAryehMarcus (19:51): Good summary Jon. We are getting closer to the "control the white straight male over-Tweeters" place I keep aiming for.
matttbastard (19:52): Ah, ok -- that
matttbastard (19:52): (1) What is Adriel's platform (2) EFFING RIGHT.
adrielhampton (19:52): And I'd just pitch in that unless another candidate has actually approached #p2 for an endorsement, I'm interested in an exclusive. I'm the only serious candidate in the race without a major consultant on board, because I've chosen to be myself throughout.
jdp23 (19:54): does it make sense to talk about process before we get to Adriel's platform?
JakeAryehMarcus (19:54): Yes.
jdp23 (19:54): [although if you've got a link handy Adriel that'd be great ]
DinkyShop (19:54): Personally, I can support ideas or policies, not sure sure about the idea of supporting a non national candidate (at least for a hashtag)..
jdp23 (19:55): Brad Shannon (I think) said a similar thing to Dinky's in the discussion thread.
JakeAryehMarcus (19:55): My gut is with DinkyShop on that.
DinkyShop (19:56): No offense, but I'm not so sure about tying a personal political brand (candidate/ person) to a the p2 brand, imo.. but I can get on board with certain policy endorsements..
jdp23 (19:57): a counterexample would be that blogs ensorse candidates in congressional races. [although i'm certainly not saying "we should do what they do", just noting that there's an analagous precedent.]
DinkyShop (19:58): But it would be cool if P2 carried poliical clout (the idea makes me chuckle. no offense..) in a good way.
JakeAryehMarcus (19:58): Still with Dinky on this.
matttbastard (19:58): They do, but usually because said candidate represents a policy platform that converges with a blog's specific agenda
jdp23 (19:58): Adriel, do you want to take a stab on why this would be a good thing for #p2, and would avoid tarnishing our brand?
jdp23 (19:59): an alternative by the way would be to put our effort to organizing a Twitter discussion that all the candidates could take place in, focused around some policy issues that we identify. EFCA! and other stuff too
DinkyShop (19:59): I see yr point jon, but orgs have a harder time coming to consensus.. Blogs are autocratic in nature (imo). A small group might be able to agree, but as group size grows, consensus becomes more difficult to achieve
JakeAryehMarcus (20:00): Adriel disappeared from my "guest" list. He still here?
jdp23 (20:00): i hate software. adriel appears to be gone. sigh.
DinkyShop (20:00): so far, chatterous is stable for me.. (I am on a mac tho'..lol)
JakeAryehMarcus (20:01): jdp23 hates software??
jdp23 (20:01): agreed, Dinky, although earlier this year Get FISA RIght did do what i saw as an effective endorsement process [for policy, not a candidate] with a active membership group roughly #p2's size
jdp23 (20:02): however i'm not hearing anybody speak in favor of an endorsement in CA-10, so now does not appear to be the right time for #p2
matttbastard (20:02): Well, I'm more concerned with issues eg, EFCA and single-payer (which is definitely an issue in Cali atm)
DinkyShop (20:03): I agree w/ Matt
jdp23 (20:03): what do people think of trying to organize a twitter-based discussion involving all the candidates [including Adriel]? there are several progressive candidates in the race, and we could ask them to present/debate on EFCA and single-payer. it'd be good for all of them -- and for progressives on twitter in general
matttbastard (20:04): (if we're talking domestic US politics -- obviously my sphere of interest is expanded when we start talking about human rights global affairs, etc)
matttbastard (20:04): That sounds feasible.
JakeAryehMarcus (20:04): Fine with me.
DinkyShop (20:04): Online chat debate is Ok w/ me.. or other chat app/medium (or even skype)..
jdp23 (20:05): okay, how's this as a summary: 1) no endorsement in CA-10
2) willingness to endorse on issues [need a process], skepticism about endorsing in political races 3) potentially organize a Twitter-based discussion [or other online chat] for CA-10 canddiates on some of our key issues - EFCA, single-payer, etc.
JakeAryehMarcus (20:05): Good summary.
matttbastard (20:05): Yep
jdp23 (20:05): (and welcome, GrrrlRomeo)
DinkyShop (20:06): I am assuming I didn't frighten off Adriel.. if I did, that would not be a good sign..
matttbastard (20:06): Yes, welcome
jdp23 (20:06): okay, and now ... EFCA!!!!!
jdp23 (20:07): last time we identified a missing resource: the action-oriented page with Twitter contacts for EFCA folk. it now exists. thanks, paula and workplace fairness presuming it's useful, how do we publicize it?
DinkyShop (20:07): Digress: Nina Totenberg (NPR) on Maddow.. what took so long?
jdp23 (20:08): and what else can we be doing to help? Sarah's emphasis last time was on retweeting EFCA-related stuff, so reminding people to do more of that would be a good thing.
DinkyShop (20:09): I thought the recommendations for occasional tweets was good. U can post those on the wiki..
jdp23 (20:10): great idea Dinky -- "Tweeeting points" are very effective. [a #p2 innovation, btw, at least as far as i can tell ]
jdp23 (20:11): we should keep reaching out more to the active pro-EFCA twitterers (CaliforniaLabor, AFLCIO etc.) and ask how we can help. i've tried a couple of times without any response. suggestions about how?
matttbastard (20:11): 1. RSS subs to orgs that aggregate EFCA info (eg, AFLCIO, SEIU, OurFuture.org, etc) and getting information out into the public sphere
matttbastard (20:12): atm the EFCA feed is dominated by corp-sponsored anti-EFCA accounts
matttbastard (20:12): which are doing their best to get out the anti-efca line
matttbastard (20:12): so we need to make sure the message of Employee Choice is not getting lost underneath a mountain of corporate propaganda
DinkyShop (20:12): Am surprised Democracy Now doesn't take up use of Twitter more actively.. I talked to Amy Goodman about using twitter. She seemed intrigued.
jdp23 (20:14): excellent point matt. [it's another "certain voices drowning out others" problem, but potentially easier.] last time we set up http://efca.tumblr.com/ but it's not remarkably useful because of that
jdp23 (20:14): Dinky we should think about following up on that.
jdp23 (20:15): matt if that's #1, is there also a #2?
matttbastard (20:15): 2. See #1
DinkyShop (20:15): Is someone on FaceBook gathering ppl re: EFTA? can we cross post, send them info and vice versa?
MyrnatheMinx (20:16): Oh wow, sorry I'm late
matttbastard (20:16): Hey there :
JakeAryehMarcus (20:16): I'm still here. Listening.
MyrnatheMinx (20:16): reallly late
DinkyShop (20:16): well, DemocracyNow has a twitter profile, but they aren't using it to it's fullest.. Not sure if it's a personnel issue.. it takes time, bodies to create tweets..
JakeAryehMarcus (20:17): DemocracyNow tweets come in bursts. And not many of them.
jdp23 (20:17): welcome myrna! Dinky i think there's a facebook page for EFCA but it's not really active.
matttbastard (20:17): The twitter profile is unoffical, an RSS feed that (AFAIK) someone unaffiliated with the show set up
MyrnatheMinx (20:18): So it seems like we really need to get someone associated directly with EFCA to chat with us about how to engage and help them
JakeAryehMarcus (20:18): Matt, the DemNow profile is unofficial? Using the logo?
DinkyShop (20:19): There are two DemocracyNow profiles-- one is official, the other is not. @Democracy_Now is the official one
MyrnatheMinx (20:19): Paula is still here right? Paula, what is your advice on getting more people like you to communicate directly with us?
jdp23 (20:19): before we turn to DemocracyNow ... here's the EFCA summary: 1) RSS subs to orgs that aggregate EFCA info (eg, AFLCIO, SEIU, OurFuture.org, etc) and getting information out into the public sphere. Matttbastard: "at the moment the EFCA feed is dominated by corp-sponsored anti-EFCA accounts which are doing their best to get out the anti-efca line. So we need to make sure the message of Employee Choice is not getting lost underneath a mountain of corporate propaganda"
2) tweeting points and more tweeting about EFCA
3) continue to publicsize http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/page/EFCA+Resources
4) invite people involved in the EFCA campaig to a p2 chat to discuss how we can help
5) see #1
jdp23 (20:20): Paula's not here. Can somebody follow up with her on that? ooooh oooh looks like we've got an action item!
JakeAryehMarcus (20:20): MTM, Paula wasn't here.
DinkyShop (20:21): I brought up DN bc I think they have good media coverage (at times) relative to EFCA..
JakeAryehMarcus (20:21): Matt, when you say "EFCA feed" you mean ...?
matttbastard (20:22): They both use the logo -- thanks, Susan. Just added the official
jdp23 (20:22): my apologies, Dinky, i missed the connection.
matttbastard (20:22): I mean the hash tag
jdp23 (20:22): y'know, *somebody* should be interested in a story on "progressives using Twitter to orgnaize for EFCA"
jdp23 (20:22): shouldn't they?
matttbastard (20:23): I subscribe to the EFCA tag via RSS
matttbastard (20:23): One would think
MyrnatheMinx (20:23): I will follow up with Paula and some contacts from SEIU and ASCFME (or whatever their letters are)
matttbastard (20:23): if I weren't directly involved, I'd write it myself
JakeAryehMarcus (20:23): Thanks Matt. I haven't been Tweeting to that tag or watching it. My bad.
jdp23 (20:24): i watch the EFCA tag ... matt's right though, it's verrrrrrry noisy.
jdp23 (20:24): (thanks MTM)
MyrnatheMinx (20:24): Jon, I also think using the EFCA organization AND twittercast on EFCA would make a story--tech president, nation?
DinkyShop (20:25): I thought I posted a video of Goodman talking about EFCA.. I have to check it...
MyrnatheMinx (20:26): Did you discuss the ning?
jdp23 (20:26): no, we skipped over that section
jdp23 (20:26): i want to be sensitive to our east coasters and finalize EFCA and action items efore going there ...
matttbastard (20:27): Question: how many folks here get email updates from SEIU/Steelworkers/AFL-CIO etc?
matttbastard (20:27): or sub to the RSS feeds?
MyrnatheMinx (20:27): I might have contact at National Journal....think we need to set the twittercast up and then let media contacts know its going on
jdp23 (20:27): i don't. i'm not an email or RSS person. it'd be great if the key updates got sent to #efca and #p2.
MyrnatheMinx (20:27): Yes, it's late on the east coast
Kit K (20:28): @AriMelber from The Nation is always amenable to net movement stuff too.
Kit K (20:28): As far as media contacts go.
jdp23 (20:28): good point Kit ... Ari's studying for the bar and is mostly out of commission for the next six weeks or so. i'll talk with him and see who else he'd suggest though
matttbastard (20:29): Well, Jon, that's where we come in.
jdp23 (20:29): indeed, matt! sarah talked about doing this as well last time, so i'll give the action items to you
DinkyShop (20:29): Anyone on LinkedIn? I have connections w/ tv news people (I still don't know why..) Plus, the boards are surprisingly active on social issues on LinkedIn.
MyrnatheMinx (20:29): I have to dig it up but National Journal has a Twitter column/blog--I have a couple of potential media contacts there we could try.
MyrnatheMinx (20:30): matttbastard--are you in media? where?
jdp23 (20:30): ok, here's the revised EFCA summary: 1) RSS subs to orgs that aggregate EFCA info (eg, AFLCIO, SEIU, OurFuture.org, etc) and getting information out into the public sphere. Matttbastard: "at the moment the EFCA feed is dominated by corp-sponsored anti-EFCA accounts which are doing their best to get out the anti-efca line. So we need to make sure the message of Employee Choice is not getting lost underneath a mountain of corporate propaganda"
2) tweeting points and more tweeting about EFCA
3) continue to publicsize http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com/page/EFCA+Resources
4) invite people involved in the EFCA campaig to a p2 chat to discuss how we can help. -- MyrnaTheMinx to drive
5) pitch a story "progressives using twitter for EFCA" -- techPresident, Nation, DemocracyNow, NationalJournal's twitter column. use the twitterchat to catalyze
6) make sure email updates/RSS feed updates info goes to the twitter feeds -- matttbastard, seasonothebitch
7) see #1
MyrnatheMinx (20:30): yes, linked in as tracy viselli
Kit K (20:31): Argh, that's true. Forgot he had the bar coming up. Maybe @cbellantoni/Christina Bellantoni from the Wash Times too? Admittedly, it's the Wash Times, but Christina's great and loves stuff like that. I'm on LinkedIn, DinkyShop! Kristina Kuzma.
JakeAryehMarcus (20:32): I'm on LinkedIn - Jake Aryeh Marcus, though won't help much. Haven't been there long.
jdp23 (20:32): how's this overall action item list? not all are assigned to people but it's still useful:
1) value articulation: why should people spend the four characters on #p2? (use Matt and Dinky's langauge from the thread)
2) better educational materials, continuing to improve the wiki page.
3) ongoing outreach to non-straight-white-males -- ALL
4) organizing a CA-10 Twitter debate/chat/something
5) a high-quality EFCA RSS feed *without* corporate propaganda/nterruptions
6) make sure EFCA updates from email/RSS get to the #EFCA and #p2 feeds -- matttbastard, seasonothebitch
7) EFCA tweeting points
8) follow up with Workplace Fairness, AFSCME, SEIU on getting them to a #p2 chat to discuss: MyrnaTheMinx
DinkyShop (20:33): @RolandSMartin isn't hosting Campbell Brown's 7pm Primetime spot anymore, but he is very active on Twitter.. as is @DonLemonCNN and some local Chicago anchors tweeters I know..
MyrnatheMinx (20:33): I think the ca-10 debate is great idea and will help galvanize excitement around #p2 as a tool
jdp23 (20:34): 9) assemble "media contacs" list, starting with @cbellantoni , @RolandSMartin , @DonLemonCNN
jdp23 (20:34): agreed about the CA-10 debate, i just hope we can get somebody to drive it
jdp23 (20:34): btw i am mostly out of commission on #p2 stuff for the next three weeks -- two conferences.
DinkyShop (20:34): CA-40 is a gas additive.. (that was the other thing u confused me about before I read the wiki..)
MyrnatheMinx (20:35): Okay, I am asking for links on LinkedIn people---now you "know" me
jdp23 (20:35): should we start up a p2 linkedin group to make it easier to find each other?
matttbastard (20:35): I'm not on linked in -- best place to find me is either twitter or via my blog home, http://bastardlogic.wordpress.com
DinkyShop (20:36): DonLemon is on LinkedIn.. he does read his LinkedIn mail, bc I sent him something..lol.
jdp23 (20:36): oh and Tracy do you want to talk about the ning?
jdp23 (20:37): sorry i cut you off on that before. [male dominance behavior in action!!!!]
MyrnatheMinx (20:38): et's wait unless some people want to help with set up....
MyrnatheMinx (20:38): Has someone been "assigned" heading up media contacts list
jdp23 (20:38): not yet
jdp23 (20:38): any volunteers?
MyrnatheMinx (20:38): I can start that, but not till next week
jdp23 (20:39): Kit and Dinky, will you have time for that?
DinkyShop (20:39): I would not be any help w/ set up.. I like Ning.. never set up a page tho'..
Kit K (20:40): I'm working on an out-of-state move, but I should be freed up in the early part of next week. I can try to help!
MyrnatheMinx (20:40): So did you change occupations? KK?
DinkyShop (20:40): The next 3 weeks for me are filled.. (i have to make a living..)
jdp23 (20:41): sounds great, Kit --once the move havoc's done. and no worries, Dinky, there'll still be stuff to do in a few weeks
Kit K (20:42): Myrna - kind of, my contract went up so I'm going back to school. Economy fail as far as media jobs go.
DinkyShop (20:42): I'm an architect, not a tech meister.. I have to see..
MyrnatheMinx (20:42): Sounds like a timeframe for an EFCA chat is a three weeks from now....unless legislation comes up fast for vote
matttbastard (20:42): which is a possibility, MtM
MyrnatheMinx (20:42): School is awesome!
MyrnatheMinx (20:42): Matthew, I know--Harkin said he's determined to bring it up in June!
jdp23 (20:43): Dinky, i think one of our challenges in general is to make it easier for people to participate who aren't tech wizards. a ning can potentially help here
jdp23 (20:43): three weeks is .. the 19th?
MyrnatheMinx (20:43): Jon, we'll have to chat on what night you might have free the 2nd week of JUne just in case
jdp23 (20:43): i'm out of commission that week alas, giving a talk at Shakacon.
MyrnatheMinx (20:44): Let's say june 11th
jdp23 (20:44): however you certainly don't need me!
JakeAryehMarcus (20:44): I am about to pass out here (East Coaster). Good time to mention that Jon and I discussed bringing up #Fem2 participation in EFCA efforts with #p2 in the "#fem2 #p2 Chat"?
MyrnatheMinx (20:44): If we wait to long, we'll miss the boat
matttbastard (20:44): sounds good
jdp23 (20:44): okay, let's pencil it in for the 11th
matttbastard (20:44): yeah, I'm out, too -- just wanted to talk briefly about diversity
MyrnatheMinx (20:44): Jake--yes! EFCA is directly related to Fem2
jdp23 (20:45): and while it's not #p2-related, there's going to be a FISA/Patriot act chat on the 3rd.
guest244721 (20:45): hey all
guest244721 (20:45): sorry to miss this
matttbastard (20:45): you know how you get a more-diverse base of followers? more diverse links. i link a multitude of different topics/issues and people searching for key terms find them and we subsequently network.
humanfolly (20:45): packing for NYC tonight
JakeAryehMarcus (20:45): FISA/Patriot Act chat where?
jdp23 (20:46): probably #cfp09 on Twitter
jdp23 (20:46): hi Jen!
MyrnatheMinx (20:46): So cool you are moving to NYC! Great job!
humanfolly (20:47): hi!
humanfolly (20:47): thanks
humanfolly (20:47): sorry i've been a little MIA on all this
humanfolly (20:47): trying to hold it all down over here
humanfolly (20:47): how is the convo going, everyone?
jdp23 (20:47): agreed Matt. i very much prioritize retweeting diverse links
MyrnatheMinx (20:48): I think everyone is dropping off cuz its so late on the east coast
JakeAryehMarcus (20:48): Jon, anything we need to say about the #p2 moderated #fem2 chat before I leave?
jdp23 (20:48): btw here's a twittersearch/RSS feed i use for "divesity plus progressive links" http://bit.ly/qrn6s
matttbastard (20:48): It is -- I have a cat who is demanding my attention gnight folks
MyrnatheMinx (20:48): Night Matt
JakeAryehMarcus (20:48): Night Matt.
jdp23 (20:49): good point Jake ... #p2's going to be hosting the #fem2 twittercast on June 21, general subjec ton how twe can wrok together more effectively, possibly a specific focus on EFCA and the feminist perspective
DinkyShop (20:49): Adios..
JakeAryehMarcus (20:49): Jon, will this transcript be on the wiki?
jdp23 (20:49): night mattt and dinky, thanks much! yes, it'll be on the wiki once i edit it and make it readable.
matttbastard (20:49): (well, ok, a few articles to read/tweet, and then bed, but...)
matttbastard (20:49): (Ciao everyone!)
jdp23 (20:49): great chat all, incredibly productive. it's a real pleasure working with you!
DinkyShop (20:49): Still here..
MyrnatheMinx (20:50): Sorry I was so late Jon ;-(
GrrrlRomeo (20:51): Sorry...I've been on the phone with my girlfriend most of the time...but watching
JakeAryehMarcus (20:51): I'm still here if anyone wanted to say something about the #Fem2 Twittercast.
jdp23 (20:51): recapping, here's the diversity summary (incuding Matt's points): 1) articulate value -- Matt and Dinky's statement
2) more diverse links
3) better educational materials -- refine wiki page
4) continued outreach to non-straight-white-males
5) continue to discuss filtering, protocols for communication
6) upcoming #fem2/#p2 twittercast June 21
DinkyShop (20:52): sounds good
JakeAryehMarcus (20:53): Yup.
MyrnatheMinx (20:53): Jon, can you include the link to the ning and people can join? I'll start working on it in earnest next week
MyrnatheMinx (20:54): in the notes on wiki I mean
jdp23 (20:54): yes i can MTM. it's http://p2progressives.ning.com/ for anybody who's curious
JakeAryehMarcus (20:55): Night all!

Twitter

JonPincus — Mon, 25 May 2009 14:24:09 CDT

Getting started on Twitter

Different people use Twitter in different ways: a news source, a chat room, forwarding interesting links, crowdsourcing information like Twitter Vote Report, staying in touch with friends, and so on. It can all be a bit bewildering at first ....

-- @myrnatheminx and @jdp23, The #p2 Hashtag and Strategies for Progressives on Twitter on The Exception

"Allow me to get you to 'get' it, my friend."

-- @randomdeanna, Why Twitter, anyways?

Twitter clients like twhirl, TweetDeck, tweetgrid, Twitteriffic are often easier than using Twitter's web site directly. Try experimenting to see which one you like. @TheWebGeek's A Twitter Mini-Guide: 60+ Useful Twitter Resources has links to additional resources. A few other sites to check:

@randomdeanna's two-part Why Twitter, anyways? and A non-fanatical beginner's guide to Twitter are great starting points, as is @pogue's Twittering Tips for Beginners in The New York Times.
@hrheingold's Twitter literacy (I refuse to make up a Twittery name for it) presents reasons for using Twitter and the perspective of tuning the network of information you receive and feeding the network of people who follow you.
@copyblogger's The Art of Writing Great Twitter Headlines has excellent suggestions on how best to make use of those valuable 140 characters.
@OliviaMitchell's How to present while people are Twittering discusses the value of a "backchannel" and has tips for presenters
@DigiActive's blog posts on Twitter have some excellent reports on how activist organizations are using Twitter.
Britt Bravo's Twitter Has Gone Mainstream. Should Your Nonprofit Jump on Board? on Social Actions and Daniel Bennett's Tweet locally, reach broadly on Care2.org's Frogloop have suggestions for non-profits.
@jdp23 and @myrnatheminx' Building Engaged Communities that Act, here on the #p2 wiki, surveys Twitter-based activism campaign and has suggestions for how to build a community. @jdp23's Lessons from Skittles for poets and activists on The Seminal goes into more detail.
@Jesse_Newhart's How To Effectively Follow 15000+ People On Twitter Using These Tweetdeck Tricks is an excellent tutorial even if you have a lot fewer friends.

Oh, and on Twitter is you can reply or send a message to somebody's by using an at sign (@), so that's the convention on how to refer to names in general. You can find a person or organizations's twitter profile under http://twitter.com, so for example @maddow (Rachel Maddow) is http://twitter.com/maddow.

Accessibility

The issues with twitter.com are not as crippling as an “all flash” site but these small details show when developers understand accessibility and have an attention to detail. Don’t get me wrong, twitter.com is far more accessible than a great deal of sites out there.

-- Nick DeNardis' post on eduGuru discusses some of Twitter's issues with accessibility,

Accessible Twitter is an application (still in the "alpha" stage) written by Dennis Lembrée that provides web accessibility for Twitter that works with or without Javascript. Items currently implemented include making all links are keyboard accessible, large default text size and high color contrast, and forms marked up for optimal accessibility. Follow @AccessibleTwitr for more.

Hashtags

Tagging helps to organize and share our online information with others.... The aim is to bring some order to Twitter users' published updates ("tweets") and make it easier to follow a topic of interest. And you don't necessarily have to be a Twitter user to get a benefit from hashtags. -- @rjleaman, "An Introduction to Twitter Hashtags", Wild Apricot's non-profit technology blog Whether or not you've got an account there, Twitter hashtags are an easy way to follow conversations about any topic -- including progressive politics and social media technologies. You can follow a hashtag via Twitter Search, RSS, Friendfeed, clients like twhirl and Tweetdeck; the links below go to the Twitter search pages as well as websites if they exist.	@MariSmith on Twitter Hashtags

Tagging helps to organize and share our online information with others.... The aim is to bring some order to Twitter users' published updates ("tweets") and make it easier to follow a topic of interest. And you don't necessarily have to be a Twitter user to get a benefit from hashtags.

-- @rjleaman, "An Introduction to Twitter Hashtags", Wild Apricot's non-profit technology blog

Whether or not you've got an account there, Twitter hashtags are an easy way to follow conversations about any topic -- including progressive politics and social media technologies. You can follow a hashtag via Twitter Search, RSS, Friendfeed, clients like twhirl and Tweetdeck; the links below go to the Twitter search pages as well as websites if they exist.

@MariSmith on Twitter Hashtags

There's a huge and somewhat confusing array of hashtags of interests for progressives. @chrismeserole's http://tweetleft.com/ is one good way to follow them: you can see individual feeds or the "all" feed combining them.

Here are few hashtags of interests to progressives. There's have a longer list on our Hashtags page

#p2: "Progressives 2.0", a resource for progressives on social media who prioritize diversity and empowerment. Website: http://p2pt0.wetpaint.com
#rebelleft: progressive, liberal, and radical left twitterers. @problemchylde's announcement post has more.
#topprog: top progressives, initially proposed as a counter-organize against #tcot (top conservatives on Twitter). Website: http://topprog.org/
#pxfridays: progressive fridays. Brag on your work, suggest progessive tweeple to follow and share your fun on Fridays. All #pxfridays tweets displayed at http://pxfridays.org

#diversity: general diversity-related topics
#woc: women of color.
#fem2: society's issues, women's voices. Twittercasts Sunday, 10 PM Eastern, The Twittercast of their early-February conference was one of the inspirations for #p2 -- as are their naming conventions, obviously :-) Website: http://www.fem2pt0.com/
#blck: black and African-American perspectives
#race: discussions of race
#lgbt, #lgbtq, #queer, #jti: lesbian, gay, bi, transgender, and queer issues and the "Stonewall 2.0" movement. Websites: many.
#accessibility and #disability: information about accessibility and disability rights
#bipart: To be used by #tcots, #topprogs, and completely unpolitical people of all kinds who want to discuss political issues not with true believers only, and not with the intention of offending others, but with idea of challenging people of all opinions to participate in the exchange of ideas and challenges to orthodoxies or party platforms. More here.
#women2follow: every Wednesday.The Eloquent Woman has more. if you're following women who have interesting things to say about politics, activism, social media, and/or progressive views, please include #p2!
#samesexsunday: #followfriday gone gay, gay, gay!

If you're tweeting something interesting, please consider adding one or two relevant hashtags! For example:

jdp23: list of twitter hashtags for progressives (from the #p2 wiki): http://twurl.nl/o0e1ss #rebelleft #topprog

The weird-looking URL here is a "shortened" url that redirects to the actual web page. Sites like TinyUrl and is.gd let you create these, and Twitter clients can make it easier.

Complex Twitter searches

Twitter lets you create complex search queries and this is often useful when you're dealing with multiple combining hashtags. A couple of examples:

to see everything that goes to any one of a bunch of LGBTQ-related channels, you can use #lgbtq OR #lgbt OR #lesbian OR #gay OR #jti.
to see anything that goes to #p2, #rebelleft, or #topprog but not #tcot, the magic incantation is (#p2 OR #rebelleft OR #topprog) -#tcot ... this sometimes is useful for avoiding flame wars or endless debates

Diversity online

JonPincus — Sat, 23 May 2009 12:28:10 CDT

	Readings on diversity with with an online focus. This should turn into an annotated bibliography with proper references ... for now, I just cut and paste from other sources in different formats, and arranged them in roughly-chronological order. Additional links appreciated! The list currently is weighted towards gender issues and so we're especially looking for complementary links in other dimensions.

Readings on diversity with with an online focus. This should turn into an annotated bibliography with proper references ... for now, I just cut and paste from other sources in different formats, and arranged them in roughly-chronological order. Additional links appreciated! The list currently is weighted towards gender issues and so we're especially looking for complementary links in other dimensions.

Gender and power in online communications, Susan C. Herring, 2001.
Herring, S. C., Job-Sluder, K., Scheckler, R., and Barab, S. (2002). Searching for safety online: Managing "trolling" in a feminist forum. The Information Society, 18 (5), 371-383.
Women and children last: the discursive consruction of Weblogs, Susan C. Herring, Inna Kouper, Lois Ann Scheidt, and Elijah L. Wright
Shelley Powers' Guys don’t link, March 2005
Harassment, silencing, and gaming communities, by Andrea Rubenstein [tekanji] on Official Shrub.com Blog, March 2007. Includes sections on "Silencing through Content", "Silencing through Community" and "Silencing Through Trolling", describing how trolling contributed to The Geeky Feminist blog shutting down.
Take back the blog! blogswarm (host page by Bruce Godfrey on Crablaw) April 2007.
Jose Antonio Vargas’ A Diversity of Opinion, if not of Opinionators
Frank Pasquale's Disparate Impact in the Blogosphere on Concurring Opinions, December 2007
Kirsten Powers’ Net-roots Ninnies
Amy Alexander’s The Color Line Online
A.J. Rossmiller’s Myth of the meritocracy
Kay Steiger’s The “new” new left is white, male
Pam Spaulding Democratic National Convention state blog selection dustup, Pam's House Blend. See also Jon Pincus' comment highlighting how the progressive blogosphere ignored this story even after it had gotten significant mainstream media attention.
Mutual guest-blogging on Open Left, with posts from Melissa McEwan, Sara Robinson, Pam Spaulding, rikyrah, and Jon Pincus

Jon's after-action report Gender, age, race and power in online discussions, chapter n + 1 includes links to cross-posts as well as Sara's Open Letter to Open Left and Chris Bowers' The Myth Of The Non-Diverse Netroots

Sexist, Sexist and More Sexist: Digg Responds to Fast Company's Women in Web 2.0, Saabira Chaudhuri, Fast Company, November 2008.
Petitions are soooooo 20th century, Jon Pincus, Liminal States, discussing the progressive blogosphere's failure to recognize the value of social network activism -led to major progressive blogs largely ignoring Join the Impact's astonishing post-election marriage equality organizing even after it had gotten significant mainstream media attention.
Is Digg sexist? and Digg Community Responds to Change.org CR Efforts. Jen Nedeau, change.org's Women's Rights blog, December 2008.

EFCA Resources

JonPincus — Wed, 20 May 2009 17:55:52 CDT

	Action and education resources for supporters of EFCA, the Employee Free Choice Act. Thanks to Paula and Brett for pulling together the original version of this list! If the are other resources that should be here, please add them to the discussion thread here.-- jon

Action and education resources for supporters of EFCA, the Employee Free Choice Act.

Thanks to Paula and Brett for pulling together the original version of this list! If the are other resources that should be here, please add them to the discussion thread here.-- jon

Take action!

American Rights at Work online petition
AFL-CIO email campaign
American Rights at Work email campaign
Click2Call phone to reach your legislators -- coming soon!!!!!

On Twitter

#EFCA: the #efca hashtag is the center for all information about EFCA. Follow it via Twitter Search, on TweetLeft, or in your favorite twitter client!
American Rights at Work: http://twitter.com/araw
SEIU: http://twitter.com/seiu
EFCANOW: http://twitter.com/EFCANOW
AFL-CIO: http://twitter.com/aflcio
California Labor: http://twitter.com/CaliforniaLabor
Student Labor Activism Project: http://twitter.com/studentlabor
Workplace Fairness: http://twitter.com/work_fairness

Education / Resource Pages

Web sites

American Rights at Work
The Truth about EFCA
Artists for Workers Choice (Actors, Writers, SAG, etc.)

Videos and stories

EFCA

JonPincus — Wed, 20 May 2009 17:11:15 CDT

	Time for action. Here's our planning for EFCA. The best ways to follow EFCA on Twitter are the #efca channel on Tweetleft or Twittersearch and @EFCANow on Twitter

Time for action. Here's our planning for EFCA.

The best ways to follow EFCA on Twitter are the #efca channel on Tweetleft or Twittersearch and @EFCANow on Twitter

Update, May 20: check out our new EFCA Resources page!

Situation and Strategy

Sarah Jaffe's The EFCA: Truth and Fiction gives the background on the biggest organized labor battle since 1947. Can #p2 help the pro-labor coalition find a 60th vote in the Senate?

Tactics

1. Tweet links, stories, comments. Make sure to include the #EFCA tag as well as #p2!

2. Reteweet EFCA-related stories was you see them. Keep the #EFCA tag, and try to include a mix of other hashtags as well (#p2, #topprog, #rebelleft, #union, ...)

3. provide resources page for EFCA supporters, focusing on actions and key twitter accounts

EFCA-related discussions on #p2 and #rebelleft

EFCANOW's Twitter feed

Suggestions for hashtag use

The source or EFCA tweets should use two hashtags at most. Subsequent tweets can include additional hashtags like #rebelleft etc. I am not suggesting this to elevate one tag over the other, but want to urge us all to twitter wisely. Too many hashtags = annoyance to many people on twitter and you will eventually lose followers.

The #p2 hastag was intended to be used as a bridge to other tags so that those using those tags pick up related tweets. It's appearance should signal to others that they can retweet it to their communities (#topprog, #rebelleft, #fem2, #woc, etc)--like a communication pyramid. If we continue to include so many hashtags in every tweet, I fear it will end up diluting the message and mitigating the effectiveness of our efforts on Twitter.

For example:

the original tweet includes #EFCA and #p2
different people retweet it to #rebelleft, #topprog, #pxfridays, ... -- keeping the #efca hashtag (and should they also keep #p2?)

Statistics

JonPincus — Wed, 20 May 2009 17:04:31 CDT

	Some relatively-easy-to-measure statistics that will allow us to track usage of #p2. See the methodology notes below for measurement. For some earlier measurements and analysis, see #p2: statistics, with a gender perspective on Liminal States

Some relatively-easy-to-measure statistics that will allow us to track usage of #p2. See the methodology notes below for measurement. For some earlier measurements and analysis, see #p2: statistics, with a gender perspective on Liminal States

					Stats	for last 24	hours
Date and time (PDT)	unique contributors in the last week	oldest tweet on #p2 front page	tweets to #p2	tweets involving 10 most frequent tweeters	crossposted to a conservative hashtag	crossposted to #fem2, #woc, #somewoc, or #women	about / to conservatives	about EFCA or unions	about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or Pakistan	about torture
May 10, 9:30 am	990	about 1 hour	552	158 (28%)	157 (28%)	27 (5%)	205 (36%)
May 10, 4 pm								0	7	10
May 11, 3 pm	972	35 min	804	182 (23%)	264 (33%)	37 (5%)	353 (44%)	9	21	31
May 12, 7 pm	1019	about 1 hour	1290	246 (19%)	608 (47%)	61 (5%)	670 (52%)	13	23	28
May 13, 7:30 pm	1084	19 min	1260	269 (21%)	624 (50%)	44 (4%)	702 (56%)	10	19	108
May 17, noon	1128	about 1 hour	640	270 (42%)	377 (59%)	8 (1%)	386	8	9	29
May 20, 3 p.m.	1059	22 min	1900 (est.)*	557	1000			47		73

* twitter search cuts off after 1500 in the last in 20 hours

Participation differences: tweeting vs. hashtag discussion

There are stark differences in participation between the May 14 tweeting and general discussions on the hashtag:

over 50% of the participants in the tweeting were women, and over 50% of the tweets came from women.
at least 80% of the most frequent tweeters on the #p2 hashtag are male; 80% or more of the tweets come from men
none of the most frequent participants on the hashtag attended the tweeting

	Most frequent tweeters, May 10-17, according to wthashtag*		Most frequent participants at May 14 tweeting (details here)
	@Cody_K - 851 @mikearama - 718 @jilevin - 642 @fleckman - 493 @Shoq - 465 @ericgrant - 416 @matttbastard - 352 @buymyshirt - 348 @bradbaumn - 335 @GStuedler - 327		seasonothebitch jdp23 myrnatheminx problemchylde savagemike harrywaisbren cny3matic jakearyehmarcus geekosaur humanfolly

* wthashtag's order seems to be roughly accurate although the number of tweets they report is far higher than can be found by Twitter search. so take it with a grain of salt. still, it's a useful and easy data point.

here's a query for the tweets from the eight most frequent and tweets involving the 10 most frequent

Most frequent tweeters, May 4-10

Note from Jon: apologies in advance to anybody I overlooked. I calculated this by doing a search on Twitter for tweets from each profile to #p2; for example, the search for Tracy is #p2 from:myrnatheminx

	Overall -- sorted by # of tweets		Female-identified personas (based on avatar, name, web sites, etc; apologies for any miscategorizations)
	518: jilevin 465: Shoq + p2info 349: mikearama 267: jdp23 + p2pt0 258: buymyshirt 228: davidbadash + gaycivilrights 207: ericgrant 157: yatpundit 151: MichaelShatz 148: Mickey_X		101: Cody_K 85: Karoli 77: cyn3matic 59: CheshireCat 59: 1txsage1957 55: rizzz 47: StephanieInCA 38: ProfChandler 32: JakeAryehMarcus 31: MadamaAmbi

Additional notes

p2info ("official" #p2 profile): 17 tweets
myrnatheminx (#p2 hashtag creator): 26
AdrielHampton (#gov20 creator + congressional candidate): 34
drdigipol (#topprog creator): 22
GloPan (#fem2 hashtag creator): 13
JillMz (#diversiytfail/#diversitywin creator): 7
davidbadash and gaycivilrights (#firefoxx creator + his blog): 123 + 105
matttbastard and seasonothebitch (from #rebelleft): 128 and 20 respectively

AntoniaZ and AriMelber (highest-profile journalists involved with #p2, I believe): 13 and 8 respectively

longtime #p2 members baratunde, humanfolly, digitalsista, maegancarberry, sairy, problemchylde, womenwhotech and chrisemeserole were all busy with other things this week and tweeted 3 times or less

May 11-17 data from wthhashtag

@Cody_K - 851
@mikearama - 718
@jilevin - 642
@fleckman - 493
@Shoq - 465
@ericgrant - 416
@matttbastard - 352
@buymyshirt - 348
@bradbaumn - 335
@GStuedler - 327

Methodology

unique contributors and from @wthashtag's #p2 page
list of 10 most frequent tweeters originally from @wthashtag, and then checked manually. more information below
all other data calculated manually using Twitter search. the links go to the queries we use. to get the actual numbers, i use the "older" link (or directly manipulate the page_id in the search URL) to get back to which page has the oldest tweet in the last 24 hours. you'd think there's a better way but apparently not.

TAKE ACTION!

JonPincus — Wed, 20 May 2009 16:27:57 CDT

	A place for action alerts. For now, we just have a couple Twitter feeds here ... If Twitterers standardize on tags like #action and #digg, it will be easy for other groups to set up similar action alert pages -- and we can work together to come up with a nicer interface, and ways to use Yahoo Pipes and Feedburner (etc.) to cut down duplication.

A place for action alerts. For now, we just have a couple Twitter feeds here ...

If Twitterers standardize on tags like #action and #digg, it will be easy for other groups to set up similar action alert pages -- and we can work together to come up with a nicer interface, and ways to use Yahoo Pipes and Feedburner (etc.) to cut down duplication.

Action alerts on #p2

Digg requests on #p2

Responding to sexism and trolling

JonPincus — Wed, 20 May 2009 12:07:00 CDT

	Trolling and sexism have both been ongong problems on the #p2 hashtag. Here are some potential appoaches for dealing with them. Our goal is to can discuss this on Twitter and the wiki over the next week, and include this on the agenda at the May 28 tweeting. For background, please see the twitter conversation near the bottom of this page, the "sexism and #p2" section of the May 14 tweeting, and Dealing with trolls on Twitter: #p2, #tcot, #topprog, #bipart, and a magic search query (on Liminal States). For references on how trolling and flaming tends to marginalize people in online conversations, see the Diversity online page. -- Jon

Trolling and sexism have both been ongong problems on the #p2 hashtag. Here are some potential appoaches for dealing with them. Our goal is to can discuss this on Twitter and the wiki over the next week, and include this on the agenda at the May 28 tweeting.

For background, please see the twitter conversation near the bottom of this page, the "sexism and #p2" section of the May 14 tweeting, and Dealing with trolls on Twitter: #p2, #tcot, #topprog, #bipart, and a magic search query (on Liminal States). For references on how trolling and flaming tends to marginalize people in online conversations, see the Diversity online page. -- Jon

Possibilities

Invest effort in teaching people how they can browse #p2 to get the experience they want: using Twitter search magic (for example this query ignores the five loudest tweeters and cross-posts to tcot), unfollowing and blocking users
If you see a tweet to #p2 that you consider sexist, let people know about it by flagging it with the #sexistmuch tag
If you see a conservative or libertarian trolling on #p2, ignore them: "please don't feed the trolls". If you see somebody who identifies as a progressive trolling on #p2, politely ask them to stop. If they continue even after being asked, oh well: ignore them.

Customizing the #p2 experience

JakeAryehMarcus: seems a key for #p2 users is a guide to filtering. I filter out all tcot. If #p2ers are engaging them, I don't have to read it.
deletrian: Choice is central to the ideas of #p2. How else can we provide people a choice re: how to interact with #p2?

-- from the May 14 tweeting

How do you follow #p2? Please let us know in the discussion thread below!

Things that could help here

example filters, and perhaps tumblr feeds, illustrating common situations: filtering out cross-posts to conservatives, ignoring the loudest tweeters, ignoring a particlar troll, etc.
a "how-to" page (or pointer to an existing one if there's a good one already out there)
(potentially) tweetleft enhancements

#sexistmuch

For now, please see the discussion thread here.

Background: a twitter conversation

	Excerpts from a broader discussion on Twitter. This twitter search has more of the overall discussion on #p2; jdp23's favorites include all the relevant tweets I could find, whether or not they went to #p2. The specific converstation I excerpted here focuses on

Excerpts from a broader discussion on Twitter. This twitter search has more of the overall discussion on #p2; jdp23's favorites include all the relevant tweets I could find, whether or not they went to #p2. The specific converstation I excerpted here focuses on

jdp23: the consensus at last thursday's #p2 tweeting was that we would challenge sexism on the hashtag. we talked about using #sexistmuch for situations like this ... thoughts?

myrnatheminx: thinks its best to approach privately first if possible.

jdp23: this did get approached privately first

myrnatheminx: well, sometimes people dont want to entertain suggestions ;-)

DocPowers: I think a public discussion or why you think it is sexist without snark is best. the purpose should be to engage and help learn for future writing because once it tweets its out. why do we have to suggest or change people? why can't we educate and uplift?

myrnatheminx: uh, yeah. I agree completely. That's what I was trying to do actually if you read my first tweet on subject

jdp23: do you think we could turn this into a good learning opportunity?

Jillmz: there's a diff btwn shaming/calling out user as sexist and flagging a tweet as sexist, yes?

myrnatheminx: yes, big difference.

cyn3matic: Limited time/energy/attention as well. @jillmz I'd agree.

Jillmz: so I'd suggest different hashtags depending on purpose of flagging-I tend toward more objective. ex: I see it, I flag it, others see it, decide for selves if sexist, worth flagging or no. b/c honestly, 1 of my big probs is others tellg me what they think I should think is sexist. sometimes I agree, sometimes not; but I hate if told something isn't sexist "enough" to be noted. debate it, sure but I'm totally happy with my sexist radar thanks

cyn3matic: Agree. RT @Jillmz ex: I see it, I flag it, others see it, decide 4 selves if sexist, worth flagging or not

Jillmz: thanks :) that so angers me lol when "THAT's not Sexist! THIS is sexist!" Matt Stoller did that in a HuffPo once - ooooo. here's the Stoller piece: http://tinyurl.com/osqcff my point being: it's ALL sexist, it ALL should stop & the Dems did plenty of it too

jdp23: makes sense : the purpose of the tag is to flag tweets as sexist.

Jillmz: cool; should others care to add some shaming element, that's up to them I'd think?

jdp23: also say why you think it's sexist when flagging? that'll help with the eductional aspects.

myrnatheminx: yeah, maybe. I'm not guaranteeing I'll do that. Explanation leads to more explanations, spinning wheels

cyn3matic: My problem: predisposed 2 like all & want kumbaya. Come fr shame-y culture, so I try not 2 do tht Operative word "try." But will speak up/out if it seems appropriate. Knowing that calling out also can mean getting called out myself.

Jillmz: systemic approach preferable to shame. by flagging, you build a catalogue of examples; from examples, a continuum of expression. viewing that continuum, ideas evolve re: how to combat

myrnatheminx: If a sexist/racist tweet is tagged with #p2 I have MORE reason to call it out. I expect people to know & do better.